The final edition? Maybe.
We all know that there is some confusion as to who is the champion of college football this season. Utah has the best record. Florida won the championship game. USC is the best on the field. Texas might have the best resume. Who should be ranked where?
That’s the question that led to me asking the other writers for their top six teams in order for the end of the year standings. Just to be clear, here is a wrap-up of the teams’ credentials…
Florida – Beat Oklahoma (currently 5th, 1st at the time) 24-14 in the actual BCS National Championship Game, beat Alabama (currently 6th, 1st at the time) 31-20 in the SEC Championship game, beat Florida State (currently 21st/23rd, 20th at the time), beat South Carolina (currently unranked, 25th at the time), beat Georgia (currently 10th/13rd, 6th at the time), beat LSU (currently unranked, 4th at the time), lost to Ole Miss (currently 13th/14th, unranked at the time).
USC – Beat Penn State (currently 8th, 8th at the time) 38-24 in the Rose Bowl, beat California (currently 25th/unranked, 21st at the time), beat Oregon (currently 9th/10th, 23rd at the time), lost to Oregon State (currently 18th/19th, unranked at the time) 27-21, beat Ohio State (currently 9th/11th, 5th at the time) 35-3.
Utah – Beat Alabama (currently 6th, 4th at the time) in the Sugar Bowl 31-17, beat BYU (currently 21/25, 14th at the time), beat TCU (currently 7th, 12th all time) 13-10, beat Oregon State (currently 18th/19, unranked at the time).
Texas – Beat Ohio State (currently 9th/11th, 10th at the time) in the Fiesta Bowl, lost to Texas Tech (currently 12th, 7th at the time), beat Oklahoma State (currently 16th/18th, 6th at the time), beat Missouri (currently 16th/19th, 11th at the time), beat Oklahoma (currently 5th, 1st at the time) 45-35.
TCU – Beat Boise State (currently 11th/13th, 9th at the time) in Ponsietta Bowl, lost to Utah (currently 2nd/4th, 8th at the time), beat BYU (currently 21/25, 9th at the time), lost to Oklahoma (currently 5th, 2nd at the time) 35-10.
Oklahoma – Lost to Florida (currently 1st, 2nd at the time) 24-14 in the actual BCS National Championship Game, beat Missouri (currently 16th/19th, 20th at the time) in the Big XII Championship Game, beat Oklahoma State (currently 16th/18th, 12th at the time), beat Texas Tech (currently 12th, 2nd at the time), beat Kansas (currently unranked, 16th at the time), lost to Texas (currently 3rd/4th, 5th at the time) 45-35, beat TCU (currently 7th, 24th all time) 35-10, beat Cincinnati (currently 17th, unranked at the time).
Penn State – Lost to USC (currently 2nd/3rd, 5th at the time) in the Rose Bowl 38-24, beat Michigan State (currently 24th, 15th at the time), lost to Iowa (currently 20th, unranked at the time), beat Ohio State (currently 9th/11th, 9th at the time) 13-6, beat Illinois (currently unranked, 22nd at the time), beat Oregon State (currently 18th/19th, unranked at the time).
Alabama – Lost to Utah (currently 2nd/4th, 6th at the time) in the Sugar Bowl 31-17, lost to Florida (currently 1st, 4th at the time) in the SEC Championship game 31-20, beat LSU (currently unranked, 16th at the time), beat Ole Miss (currently 13th/14th, unranked at the time), beat Georgia (currently 10th/13rd, 3rd at the time), beat Clemson (currently unranked, 9th at the time).
Here are the Sparty and Friends final rankings and voting breakdowns:
1. Florida – 46 points (7 1st place, 1 3rd place)
2. USC – 34 points (1 1st place, 3 2nd place, 1 3rd place, 3 4th place)
3. Utah – 33 points (2 2nd place, 5 3rd place, 1 4th place)
4. Texas – 31 points (3 2nd place, 1 3rd place, 4 4th place)
5. TCU – 11 points (4 5th place, 3 6th place)
6. Oklahoma – 10 points (4 5th place, 2 6th place)
7. Penn State – 2 points (2 6th place)
8. Alabama – 1 point (1 6th place)
So there you have it. The Boss says that the ballots will not become public unless the authors feel they want to do so in the comments. I will respond to such questions. The debate takes place below…
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negatory. more to come. mizerle06(Quote)
my ballot:
1. Florida
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Utah
5. Oklahoma
6. TCU
I’m pretty sure that’s exactly how I ordered them. feel free to correct me if I’m wrong, gitc. mizerle06(Quote)
The sanity of whoever put Florida third is questionable. sparty(Quote)
A 3rd place vote for Florida? Someone explain. john(Quote)
i see a new banner coming…. sparty(Quote)
who did this!? step up and own your ballot NOW! mizerle06(Quote)
1 Utah 2 Florida 3 Texas ….. 119 USC
Fuck you USC knightwhosaysni(Quote)
My Ballot:
USC
Utah
Florida
Texas
Oklahoma
TCU
Explanation is that USC is the best football team right now and they would have beaten either of the teams that played last night. As for Utah, they went undefeated. I don’t know how they would fare against Florida but I have to give them the benefit of the doubt because they never lost. guyinthecorner(Quote)
I plagerized my answers from Miz, because I know nothing about College Foozeball.
I did watch enough of the game last night to learn that Tebow is the 2nd coming of Christ from that announcer who kept professing his undying man-love. Is that guy related to shanny?
If we have a S&F fantasy football team in 2010, i’m drafting Ringer, just for Sparty trade-bait. marcomarco(Quote)
-15 GITC john(Quote)
1. Florida
2. USC
3. Utah
4. Texas
5. Oklahoma
6. TCU sparty(Quote)
marco-
If you plagiarized Miz then you aren’t very good at it. You two only had two picks in common and obviously one was Florida. guyinthecorner(Quote)
if you guys noticed, i am the only one who is correct in his rankings. sparty(Quote)
sparty gets it right knightro(Quote)
see sparty(Quote)
apparently I noticed knightro(Quote)
Just a slight correction sparty…
It’s THE University of Florida…they’ve earned it, you know, like tOSU
/sarcasm’d knightro(Quote)
Oh, right. I guess I shuffled em so it wouldn’t look too plagarized.
/high school’d marcomarco(Quote)
i am very happy to see TCU ahead of Oklahoma in the poll
my picks=
1. florida
2. utah
3. texas
4. usc
5. tcu
6. oklahoma mikeychx(Quote)
I thought you had Oklahoma down twice at 5 AND 6 until I realized that TCU was Texas Christian and not THE ChOklahoma University knightro(Quote)
or
/dyslexia’d marcomarco(Quote)
+1 marco! mizerle06(Quote)
I would completely agree with these final rankings — and might even consider bumping Texas up to #3. Utah probably has the best resume on here. But, I do not think Utah beats USC, or either team that played last night. I would say that USC may be the best team in the country, but we can say that every year. In fact, I think Pete Carroll does say that every January 2nd or so….. Too bad he keeps getting that unexplainable loss in September every year. natsfan74(Quote)
based on gitc picks, i think it is high time that sparty SERIOUSLY reviews his status as an author at S&F
florida third?
holy fucking hell man
this must be coming from a guy who hates paul pierce and never recognizes his studliness
oh wait
are you guys sure that gitc is not cmfost? mikeychx(Quote)
Does the S&F poll damage the credibility of the AP & USA Today polls? knightro(Quote)
with someone putting Florida 3rd, we lose all of our credibility. sparty(Quote)
this is monumentally worse than telling the nation that Chris Petersen was headed to Miss St, and you can take that to the bank. sparty(Quote)
gitc has no love for Paul Pierce (PP) and Tim Tebow (TT). I am seeing a pattern…I’d watch your back marcomarco
/rain man’d knightro(Quote)
+infinite, knightro! sparty(Quote)
If GITC had Paul Pierce #1 and Florida #3, I’d support him. john(Quote)
I think it is interesting/ironic that Belichick and Kraft were there to see the RIGHT way to have a 1 loss season knightro(Quote)
Florida vs. USC would be a great game since both teams play offense AND defense well. I have to disagree though, Florida > USC.
so what’s your cutoff for how many teams this applies to? I guess that if any MWC team runs that gauntlet of a conference schedule undefeated their name would be in place of Utah’s? what about a MAC team such as Bowling Green (who came very close to an undefeated season this year)? let’s look at CUSA for a minute…ECU started out strong with some big O-o-C wins; would they be in the place of
UTAHUtah had they finished undefeated?ed note: sorry, didn’t mean to textually scream Utah…just got excited and held the shift key too long. mizerle06(Quote)
Bowling Green came close to being undefeated? In which universe? knightwhosaysni(Quote)
the big hole in gitc explaination is as follows
thats all opinion and does not contain one fact
the other hole is that he ranks USC ahead of Utah
if you are going to stick with the stubbornness you would be required to rank Utah ahead of SC because Utah beat Oregon State who beat USC….this means based on common opponent that
utah > usc
this is why UF is #1 mikeychx(Quote)
+1 kwsn; I was thinking Boise St. but for some reason typed Bowling Green. mizerle06(Quote)
Until there is a playoff no one is champion. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
/fixe’d knightro(Quote)
Well, Boise St. isn’t in the MAC so that’d still be a little difficult. You’d need to turn that M upside down. The state of Ball is the team from the MAC that almost went undefeated until they lose their last 2 in epic chokeritude. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
I feel that way about any team with a legit schedule. The Mountain West is not the MAC. guyinthecorner(Quote)
sorry, kwsn. gitc got me worked up. I said BGSU, clarified that I meant Boise St, when altogether I meant Ball St.
I’m taking a few plays off now… mizerle06(Quote)
so gitc, what is a legit schedule? how many ranked teams/bowl teams does a team have to play to be legit? mizerle06(Quote)
It’s ok miz, it was fun giving you the business. I knew what you meant sort of. knightwhosaysni(Quote)
Michigan St got screwed. sparty(Quote)
nice work, gitc. Way to take any homerism out of the equation unlike your colleagues. clown(Quote)
no worries, kwsn. I was saying wrong crap and needed a good calling-out for it! mizerle06(Quote)
My main man Barack needs to get us a playoff. Just that 1 thing would be more productivity than the last 8 years combined from a president.
/zing! knightwhosaysni(Quote)
clown-his team is Maryland. Homerism isn’t even an option.
/says the Sparty fan. sparty(Quote)
kwsn-as long as we don’t have to print more money to pay for it, i am down with that. sparty(Quote)
I would say that my USC argument not having facts is a byproduct of this stupid system. I didn’t say Utah was ahead of Florida because they were undefeated, I said that I used that as a tiebreaker because I don’t think I can tell who’s better. USC I can tell. They are the best team right now. guyinthecorner(Quote)
If we want to talk legit schedules, Utah is #1. They beat more ranked teams than anyone else (considering end of season rankings only, not considering when LSU was #4 and non-bowl eligible Auburn was #5). But, I would say that schedule is the only reason Utah got as far as it did anyway. Tulsa and Ball State (when they were both undefeated) were not ranked nearly as high because of their schedules. But, by week 8, when things started to heat up, Utah had already beaten Oregon State and Michigan (unranked, but on the road vs big school). They still had TCU and BYU down the stretch, so that’s pretty legit. In fact, Utah wan more non-conference games vs ranked teams (1 – counting regular season only) than did most other ranked schools including Alabama and Texas. natsfan74(Quote)
Wins vs. Ranked Non-Conference Opponents, regular season variety:
UF > FSU
Utah > Oregon State
USC > tOSU
Oklahoma > TCU, Cincinnati
PSU > OSU (the one without the t)
and sadly, that’s it for our top 10. I am glad that USC and Ohio State know how to make a schedule, otherwise the ACC/ SEC Challenge would be our only non-conference games worth watching every year. natsfan74(Quote)
well…utahs coach is on right now…and he made more sense than any of us
he said…”the current system is not about who is the best team…its who had the best season”
if this indeed is the cirteria – utah would be #1…but they started out too faer out of the equation to garner the necessary votes mikeychx(Quote)
please justify this. mizerle06(Quote)
tOSU knows how to schedule? they play an FCS school every year. sparty(Quote)
what are you basing your “opinion” on gitc….USC hasnt beaten anyone this season except for tOSU without beanie wells and Penn State….
your opinion holds no water at all
Florida??
Beat Oklahoma (currently 5th, 1st at the time) 24-14 in the actual BCS National Championship Game, beat Alabama (currently 6th, 1st at the time) 31-20 in the SEC Championship game, beat Florida State (currently 21st/23rd, 20th at the time), beat South Carolina (currently unranked, 25th at the time), beat Georgia (currently 10th/13rd, 6th at the time), beat LSU (currently unranked, 4th at the time), lost to Ole Miss (currently 13th/14th, unranked at the time).
i usually never tell anyone their opinion is stupid…but your opinion is stupid mikeychx(Quote)
hey, and who voted PSU in the top 6? you fucking morons!!! sparty(Quote)
miz-
Are you serious? It’s not like I’m the only one with this opinion.
USC’s defense would destroy Tebow. Why? Because they are basically an NFL defense. Tebow’s little crap like the fake handoffs and running over people in the middle won’t take down Rey Maualuga. Jump pass? Please. USC’s offense is also quite good. You thought Oklahoma was running effectivly? Wait till you see what the 5-headed USC RB monster would do to them. Oh yeah, and they have a better coach. guyinthecorner(Quote)
gitc-according to the AP rankings, only 1 person agrees with you out of 65, and nobody in the coaches poll.
so you are correct. you are not the only ONE. sparty(Quote)
gitc – I could take that entire paragraph you just wrote and substitute any USC reference with a Florida reference and have the same conclusion. so I must ask you, “Are you serious?” mizerle06(Quote)
i don’t think Oklahoma ran effectively. 107 yards in a college game is not good, and neither is 3.7 yards a clip. they ran well on one drive. sparty(Quote)
mikey-
Oregon is a top 10 team yet they don’t count?
Look, you can’t blame USC for playing in the Pac-10. They played who was on their schedule and tried to play a very hard non-conference game. Is it their fault Beanie hurt himself? Don’t tell me Beanie helps Ohio State win that either. It was 35-3 and it could have been 49-3 but USC took their foot off the gas. They were also up 31-7 on Penn State before they slowed it down after halftime.
It’s their fault they didn’t get to prove it in the Championship game because the computers don’t like their conference schedule?
Yeah, they lost a game. So did everyone other than Utah. But if you watched both last night’s game and USC/Penn State you can’t say my argument is stupid. guyinthecorner(Quote)
tOSU plays an FCS school in-state every year…. it’s Tressel’s way of giving back (mostly playing his old school). And, they also play a top 5 non-conference team every year. Texas in 05-06 (anomoly was 07 when Washington sucked). USC in 08-09. In the 10-17 seasons, the non-conference schedule includes 2 games with Miami, 2 with Virginia Tech, 2 with Oklahoma. That’s pretty good scheduling if you ask me…. natsfan74(Quote)
@natsfan – Tennessee v. tO$U in 2018 and 2019. mizerle06(Quote)
natsfan-i guess so.
but that FCS game could cost them a BCS game. had their been a 3 way tie in the Big 10, MSU would have won the title because the 1st tie breaker in a 3way tie in the Big Ten is whether or not someone played any FCS games. Didn’t matter that they lost big to OSU. PSU would have got the at large bid. just sayin it could come back to bite them one year. sparty(Quote)
Oklahoma’s back-up running back had to start and ran for 110 on 22 carries. I say effective. guyinthecorner(Quote)
ChrisBrown ran for a 1000 yards this year. not as if he was a scrub. sparty(Quote)
Thanks, Miz. I forgot that one. Maybe tOSU will finally an SEC school. natsfan74(Quote)
I got so excited about my ability to use bold, I forgot to include the word beat in there. Crap, I suck at this. natsfan74(Quote)
Penn State was behind almost the entire game against USC and ran 29 time for 137 yards. mizerle06(Quote)
ok, i just ran a simulation…
Florida 38
USC 23
We have our answer…. sparty(Quote)
ironically, I just ran one too.
Florida 143
USC 6 mizerle06(Quote)
miz-
field goals or a blocked extra point? sparty(Quote)
2 field goals. mizerle06(Quote)
needs more ohio state. spencer096(Quote)
don’t lose 3 games spencer, and you got it. sparty(Quote)
i just want to make one thing very clear:
All these teams suck.
/GO GREEN! GO WHITE! sparty(Quote)
sparty…when your team only loses 3 games in consecutive years and doesn’t get mollywhopped by my poison nuts, feel free to temper my enthusiasm for me.
/burn? spencer096(Quote)
i have heard much worse. sparty(Quote)
yea…i really got nothing. this year sucked.
: ( spencer096(Quote)
but the effort was there from you, well done. sparty(Quote)
Go Nationals! And take the Redskins with you….. natsfan74(Quote)
miz-
Voting discrepancies have been fixed. guyinthecorner(Quote)
my vote does not count :
1. Florida – champs, deserving after BCSNCG
2. Utah – unbeated, pasted the elephants
3. USC – best team out there, too bad they lost to oregon state
4. Texas – would be number 3 if not for sterling bowl by the trojans
5. TCU – nuff said
6. Oklahoma – choked…
7. Penn State – wilted…
8. Alabama – disappointment jpmanahan(Quote)